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Poster: august_wst Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Just officially announced...

http://www.dead.net/features/release-info/holy-s-it-s-complete-europe-72-box-over-60-discs

I suppose if it was my library and I was getting closer to retirement I would do the same... $450.00... sheeesh.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

There must be 7k folks in this world you can and want to buy. This can be added to the compendium of the GD business model that folks seem to be studying nowadays. Get $1.3 mil upfront to cover costs before I even think about producing and then rake in $3.2 mil revenues. Not bad. Now that Goldman Sachs is having trouble with its Facebook investment, maybe they'll turn to Rhino.

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Poster: sraileus Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

The question I had, however, that isn't answered by the official announcement: What about a DVD of 4/17/72 and/or 4/21/72? It looks like we'll get the audio for sure, but a "complete" set should include the video as well. Does anyone know?

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Poster: august_wst Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Good question. I wonder what other goodies they might include...?
Bozo masks?
Coaster from a coffee shop in Amsterdam?
Bus passes?
Bangers and mash?

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Money isn't the issue, the question is one of value, and just how much listening time would any individual invest.

Certainly have spent over $450 on GD albums, cd's, dvd's and can't even begin to guess as to the amount of coin dropped with the Maxell tape company over the last four decades.

Doubt that many folks who dwell here at the GD Forum will cough up the doe, ray, me, but do see some groups of folks sharing the initial expense and burning 60 discs.

I appreciate the ambitious nature of the proposed box set from the powers that be at Rhino. I'll kick it around for a day or two and probably proceed, i just hope that some of these sets don't show up @ Borders.com for 50% off in the next few years.

Gee, if they personalize mine, what exactly will be engraved on the box?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

They're not saying yet...
Could be they're saving the vids for a later release, or maybe a DVD will be one of the "exclusive goodies" they mention for pre-orderers...

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Mannnnnnn. This bums me out. The greatest tour of the 20th century will soon be gone from this site! At least I've got all the shows.

I can only pray they'll offer individuals on downloadable mp3, eventually.

Maybe this won't actually happen. I mean come on, it'll be close to $500 with tax. Who's got a half grand to spare on something like this? I need food! Keep in mind that a good portion of that hunk of cash is going toward worthless (read: fake) memorabilia (pictures of tickets, stuffed teddy bears, etc.). It's an interesting idea but ultimately a stupid one. It'll be a sad day if 3000 people actually buy it and it goes into production.

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Poster: hasher Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

It will sell. There's enough people making money for nothing and have plenty to burn. I think thats the reason things are getting ridiculously expensive these days, too much disposable income easily attained. When you overcharge your brother then you have enough money be ripped off by the next guy and so on.

Seriously though, how much do you think this peice of cardboard and plastic will cost to make? My guess is less than 20 bucks a unit. After paying off all the people involved for their years of "hard work" getting this stuff released there will still be a hell of a profit even after limiting the release to 7200 units.

Thinking about it now though, I think I remember paying close to $300 for the Golden Roads Box ten years ago and that only had ten discs. So I guess $450 for 60 discs is a BARGAIN!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Yikes--not to be a downer for ya, but how'd ya pay ~ $300 for GRd? I bought mine at a standard book store, new, for just over $100...wasn't a return. What's the "official price" at the DEAD store, or is it out of print, so to speak? Is that what happened to you? For that one, I fig' it was each orig album, plus extras, and given a standard album CD was ~$15 at the time, what I paid was "normal" for just replacing all my 65-73 albums with CDs.

But, I'd argue that GRd is a much better "deal" than this; this would be akin to adding Feb and Apr shows to the Fillmore Box (ie, 60 CDs of all shows for a two month period in spring of 69 or some such).

I know YOU ALL love Eur 72, but there's no way, even when I was listening full time, that I'd pay that much for disk after disk of the "same show" (think of how much you actually listen to the Fillmore Box, + Feb and Apr shows of 69...it does get redundant, and that's coming from the most limited, redundant one among all of us...

I still can't believe that Fillmore boxes go for so much on ebay or wherever...

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Poster: hasher Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

No that's right I misremembered.

You're also right about the fillmore box. I rarely listen to it anymore but am very glad I have it.

I guess I wouldn't be so bitter today if I had an extra 500 bucks and hadnt just been laid off on saturday.

I really want this set. I'm sure I'll find a way to get it. The limited edition thing worries me though.

Im a sucker for the packaging especially since I have almost all the other box sets and am ocd about collecting them all. Besides that though, does anyone think there will be uncirculated material from the tour along with all the remastering? Arent there a few shows that are missing parts or otherwise uncirculated sources?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

http://tinyurl.com/6lcjge8

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jan 19, 2011 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Generally, manufacturing cost to retail is minimally a quotient of x 5, except for white powders, Chinese made crap that can go out to infinity, or Mitsubishi wharehoused Japanese Blue Fin Tuna.

Where exactly is the Rhino product manufactured?.

I'd put a number on the discs @ $1.00 ea, packaging @ $.50 ea, the book @ $10.00, therefore cost = $100.

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Poster: hasher Date: Jan 19, 2011 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

You're probably right that I lowballed the cost a bit but $1 a disc? I gotta sell that.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 19, 2011 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72 ordering...

Funny, they added a picture on that page of what it will look like. I especially like that 2-inch-high figure standing in front of the trunk, emphasizing how HUGE the set is...
Oo, a road map of Europe! And travel stickers! Tickets, too!
All that extra junk with the CDs looks pretty silly to me, but oh well. That must be what the $450's for!

Also, the dead.net ordering system apparently crashed due to the high volume of orders today; so now you just give them an email to be notified when it's ready to order.

Which makes me wonder....I thought I might have a couple months to mull over the purchase, but how long might this 7200-copy set take to sell out? A few weeks? A few days? A matter of hours?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72 ordering...

Classic GD/Rhino business practices. Biggest ever release, no extra phones or temps on the phones to handle the days business> systems crash.
I don't know how long LiA, but they will get the full nut.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 19, 2011 10:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72 ordering...

Huh. So much for my misguided notion that $450 wouldn't fly with folks who already have most of it and might just want, say, $150 worth with, say, 20 discs, but not the whole shebang. Silly me. Guess they DID do their market research after all ...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 20, 2011 1:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72 ordering...

Well...after reading stories about how the dead.net server crashed & their phone lines are tied up, it sounds like plenty of people can't wait to spend their $450, as soon as possible.
Maybe they're fools at Rhino, but they'll be rich fools...

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 20, 2011 2:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 8/22/68 question

I have another ’68 question, for which an answer probably exists (if so please point me in the right direction).
On the 8/22/68 file it seems odd that the Dark Star isn’t tracked before the Stephen and I am curious if this is really the right order. Bill Graham introduces the band before DS, they end it with Jerry commenting about sound issues on stage. The beginning of Stephen is clipped, so it isn’t possible to tell how the song actually starts out.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-08-22.sbd.cotsman.14915.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 20, 2011 3:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 8/22/68 question

Vapors? What the heck? Here we're in a nice long thread about the E72 box set and you're butting in about 8/22/68? :)

The cotsman file you linked to is the best & most complete (actually, the only complete) one on the Archive.
That said, it is clearly pieced together from a couple different sources - and as most of the show is in mono & has a fair amount of tape noise and a couple splices, that indicates it's some distance away from the original recording. And as you may know from tape-trading days, parts of shows often got shuffled around!

According to deadlists, Stephen>Eleven>Death was the first set. (Deadbase says there was a Lovelight to close the set, which is quite possible, considering our chopped-up tape.)
Bill Graham often introduced both sets at Fillmore shows, so Dark Star may well start the second set, as listed. (I can't make out what Garcia says at the end.)

The set order as it stands isn't implausible, since there are also other shows from the period where they start Stephen cold, or do a Dark Star>Cryptical suite.
I always assumed that was the correct place (on the other Archive copy, the Cryptical count-in starts right after Garcia says "thank you", but that was an editing trick).
But with our source cutting right after Death & Dark Star, it's really impossible to establish an order just from the tape.
So it's quite possible Dark Star was moved out of order - possibly by the same culprit who copied this show in mono & left out the Lovelight!
We can't really conclude anything until a better source turns up...you could email Dave Lemieux & ask about the vault reel.

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 20, 2011 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 8/22/68 question

I will try an email to DL, why not? My post was a bit spur of the moment early this morning as I checked the board before heading in to work – thanks for your reply!
(At the end of Dark Star Jerry says something like “… turn off the strobe light for a while, it makes clicks on the stage.”)

As far as the Europe ‘72 announcement under discussion, I think it is pretty darn cool, and hopefully a sign of more good things to come. I am chipping in on a cooperative purchase and look forward to reading whatever material comes with it, but don’t need all the extras myself.

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 19, 2011 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Mrs. Wine's reaction when I forwarded her the dead.net link:

"Well perhaps it would be worth it to somebody who is really old and cannot figure out mp3s and getting stuff from online. Or someone really young who just wants to jump start their collection? CDs? really? Why not sell an I-pod loaded up with all that is on the discs.... "

She brings up a good point. Why not package this in a special SYF iPod, or better yet the ice cream guy from the EU72 album cover. I can see selling it for $750.

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

If they sold a big, fat, 30 lb iPod with every single f*cking soundboard they have, I would pay $450 for it. But 60 CDs? Come on. That would take like a month's worth of free time just to get it all onto your computer.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

With the CD's, booklets, and container it comes in, expect the delivery guy to bring it to your door with a hand truck.


I think just a few of us should buy it, copy it, then sell the CD's to others so they can copy them, and re-sell 'em. We do this with 25 friends, and pay $20 each.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 19, 2011 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

It is kind of a cool idea, but you know that the true audio-heads would only want lossless, and I don't believe that there is an mp3 player that will hold this much lossless music.

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Poster: Headstrung Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Does this mean desperation? The "fat mans" death finally hitting the band. I would love to own a box set like this but I can not justify the cost. I still like Phil Lesh's idea of access to all of the shows for download individually. Well at least we will all finally have 4/15/72. Now how about Tulsa "79"?

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jan 19, 2011 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

One of the great things about the Dead is the fact that they are old school. Therefore, Analog first, Digital next, for preservation.

If they could reason to release these transfers on a medium other than HDCD, they would. Their core audience / demographic is somewhere @ 45 - 70. This is not necessarily the i-pod generation and unfortunately, 24/192 reel to reel is too exotic these days.

Crunching these Masters down to an I-Pod lossless format is limiting.

Why not press out a thousand copies of 180 gram vinyl for the Marin "Mercedes" crowd?

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 20, 2011 3:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

It's played out, I know, but it needs saying...

"I NEED MORE SHOWS."



Guess it pretty much comes down to if you want 16 track mixdowns, hopefully patched to the hilt in the event of missing segments (though that doesn't account for things like completely missing tracks, like Pig's organ on the 16 tracks for 4/26/72, always wondered if there were 2 tracks out there that had his organ in the mix), or be happy with your 2 tracks we all have. Oh, and stickers.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Thought this part was interesting:

"At $450, this clearly will not be a box for everyone. In fact, this individually numbered boxed set will be limited to orders placed with a maximum of 7,200 boxes produced. As a special bonus, the first 3,000 orders will receive a personalized copy. Due to the huge manufacturing costs (wait 'til you see it! We're doing something unlike any other boxed set release ever! It's exceptional!!), we need to hit 3,000 sales before we even go into production. If we don't reach 3,000 by April 1st, the boxed set won't be able to happen. This isn't a gun-to-your-head sales pitch. Rather, we want to be open with you about the realities of this release's massive scope and ambition."

Give us your money now!!

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

Probably not a gun to your head sales pitch...

If what they were selling was cars or something else other than the music we love, we would probably think so.



This will probably be more than worthwhile for those who indulge!! Way out of my price range though.
$400 is alot of coin for something I probably wouldn't listn to all that often.

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Poster: hasher Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

The good news is they won't charge you till september. Supposedly the credit card will be used to hold your order and the set will then be charged to it when it's shipped.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

true, but is a way for them to assure they have grossed over a $1.3 million before they commit, while they want you to commit 8 months in advance.

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

" take a weekend job at Jack-in-the-Box"......
Hilarious.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Europe 72+++++++++++++++

All of my CD's, Box Sets and liner notes are in a plastic storage container in my garage. All the music is neatly stored on various hard drives and computers. The last thing I need is a goddamn steamer trunk full of paper sleeves, a poster, a road map and obsolete discs. Coffee table book?? Yep, those are all stored in garage too.

They don't know me.

I WANT THE MUSIC, NOT THE SCHWAGITTY-SCHWAG!! Value-added my-ass.....